tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post8405634408329884990..comments2023-05-02T09:50:43.941-05:00Comments on Reformed Baptist Blog: FICM Response to Reformed Baptist CriticsKeith Throophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08112617983370327521noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-21143619451603421932009-12-19T15:22:04.151-06:002009-12-19T15:22:04.151-06:00Jason,
Thanks for chiming in here. I just want yo...Jason,<br /><br />Thanks for chiming in here. I just want you to know that you never came across to me as one who was on the "attack" anyway. You struck me as one who is very concerned about some of what the FICM has been saying, and I happen to share most of the same concerns.<br /><br />Yes, George Drye does serve with me as an elder at Immanuel. In fact, he may just be the best man I have ever known, and his knowledge of Scripture is incredible. I have known him for about 16 years, since Dave was in junior high, I think. And we have served together as elders for many years as well.<br /><br />Thanks for writing the series of articles addressing the FICM. I think you did a very good job of highlighting the crucial issues that need to be discussed.<br /><br />KeithKeith Throophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112617983370327521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-87666024484749416222009-12-19T11:31:05.244-06:002009-12-19T11:31:05.244-06:00Pastor Throop,
Thanks for posting the articles on...Pastor Throop, <br />Thanks for posting the articles on the Family-Integrated Church Movement and the FICM's responses. I think it has been good for everyone to clarify the issues. All of us are fickle creatures, so prone to misunderstanding (me very much included) I hope that it all works out for the greater glory of Christ-which I'm sure it will. Thanks be to God!<br /><br /> I just wanted to say that I certainly am not on the "attack" against the FICM. I don't have any sort of personal grudge against Scott Brown or any of them. They confuse me and concern me at times, but really I would sit down and have dinner with them tonight:) I count them as brothers in Christ and that surely should put a great deal of differences to rest, especially when we think of the Incarnation and death of our Lord. I hope they would say the same for me. <br /><br />By the way I understand that you have Mr.Drye as one of your co-elders. His son Dave was my best friend in college and one of my groomsman and I his. I love him and Nicki so much and have many wonderful memories of them (I actually was responsible for introducing them!). My in-laws are up near Morris, IL, but we've never had the opportunity to visit your church. I would love to get down their sometime. <br /><br />Merry Christmas and God bless!<br /><br />Jason WebbJason Webbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17171785423963804477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-33260228546074244662009-12-15T13:11:28.450-06:002009-12-15T13:11:28.450-06:00Well, as you have noticed, I have posted here an a...Well, as you have noticed, I have posted here an article listing some of the FICM responses to the Reformed Baptist criticisms to which you have referred, so I think I have been fair. And I am demonstrating the same fairness by publishing your comments here.<br /><br />But I will also say that I don't think either Waldron or Webb were off the mark on everything. I think they made some good points that have hit on some of the same issues I have seen among FICM advocates at times. But I have also noticed that some of their leaders have been doing a better job of qualifying their statements of late, so there has been some good that has come out of the critiques they have received. I suspect that there has been and will be some good that will come out of the FICM critiques of others as well.<br /><br />Here I want to make something clear, though, namely that it doesn't really seem fair to me represent Reformed Baptists who have disagreements with the FICM -- ARBCA in particular -- as being on the "attack," when FICM advocates have been quite critical of the rest of us for some time. Surely they can't keep leveling such criticisms at the rest of us and expect no responses, can they?Keith Throophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112617983370327521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-18658197382650429322009-12-13T23:41:02.334-06:002009-12-13T23:41:02.334-06:00I just returned from the Sufficiency of Scripture ...I just returned from the Sufficiency of Scripture conference in Cincinnati and have to say it was quite a surprise. I am a Reformed Baptist and a member of an ARBCA church and am aware of the ARBCA general discussion in 2008 regarding the Family Integrated Church movement. The main speakers at this event were Doug Phillips, Scott Brown, Kevin Swanson, Voddie Baucham and Paul Washer. I have to say that these men are among the best preachers that I have ever heard and JASON WEBB’S assessment is seriously flawed and ill-informed. <br />There were just under 3,000 people in attendance. The messages were biblical, reformed and consistent with our London Baptist Confession. It’s a shame when Reformed Baptists attack each other (it makes me embarassed to be in an ARBCA church). I never heard one attack on ARBCA during the entire conference, including in my personal discussions with Scott Brown. In fact, Scott had nothing but nice things to say about his discussions with Sam Waldron and communicated to me that any doctrinal questions and misunderstandings that may have existed between Sam and the NCFIC have been cleared up.<br />Apart from some doctrinal nuances that I am still working through regarding NCFIC distinctives, I have to say that the orthopraxy I see in their leaders and with those in attendance is far more impressive than what I’ve witnessed in other Reformed Baptist groups. My only conclusion is I’ll take orthopraxy any day over dead orthodoxy. The future of our families and children are at stake and it’s high time that ARBCA churches join the reformation of the family and keep themselves from drifting into total obscurity and irrelevance.<br /><br />-Markzerubabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10871185105554834233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-53239536353926448172009-11-19T15:38:28.238-06:002009-11-19T15:38:28.238-06:00Thanks! I will check it out.Thanks! I will check it out.Keith Throophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112617983370327521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-35721395134008314192009-11-19T15:23:22.198-06:002009-11-19T15:23:22.198-06:00Keith we are having another good thread on this to...Keith we are having another good thread on this topic again. Pastor Fred Geco makes some good points. <br /><br />http://www.puritanboard.com/f103/family-families-statement-ncfic-55546/puritancovenanterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07375835960576620876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-48990885439211704572009-11-17T13:31:04.558-06:002009-11-17T13:31:04.558-06:00Thanks for the update Pastor Keith.Thanks for the update Pastor Keith.puritancovenanterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07375835960576620876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-44895582582940530392009-11-13T17:37:52.003-06:002009-11-13T17:37:52.003-06:00Thanks for the input Randy! And thanks for the lin...Thanks for the input Randy! And thanks for the links. I will be sure to check out the discussion at your forum.<br /><br />And by the way, for those who may read these comments, Randy's forum -- the Puritan Board -- is a great place for informed discussion about most any issue of interest to Reformed baptists.Keith Throophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112617983370327521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19532009.post-34953522056076316772009-11-13T14:19:25.336-06:002009-11-13T14:19:25.336-06:00http://www.puritanboard.com/f117/singles-within-fa...http://www.puritanboard.com/f117/singles-within-family-families-54470/<br /><br />Keith... We discussed this on the PB at the link above with a few board members who hold to the practice. I must say that I really appreciated pt. 4 of Jason Webbs contribution...<br /><br />http://reformedbaptistfellowship.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/the-family-integrated-church-movement-%E2%80%93-part-4/<br /><br />It hits a major artery in the FICM discussion and adherence to the LBCF.<br /><br /><br />Randy Snyderpuritancovenanterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07375835960576620876noreply@blogger.com